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Conversation platforms will make blogs increasingly redundant

There are many reasons why people blog. Some, like mine, are experiments in self-expression and a historical log of experiences, opinions and discoveries of personal interest. They’re (primarily text-based) pedestals for the development of a digital ‘sculpture’ of your identity. Visitors are attracted both to explore your unique identity and points of view, and to read and participate in the conversations your posts have sparked.

Communities are environments that foster identities. This happens when you abandon anonymity and let people associate your comments (conversational inputs) with a name that they can become familiar with. The easier it is for people to associate your previous comments with your current one, the easier it is for them to understand where you’re coming from, who you are. Identity is all about adding context to your actions. There are lots of other ways of adding context: an avatar (or even a real photo of you); even broader identity context like your facebook profile, a link to your homepage, to other places you’re active – Twitter, other sites, etc.

What Disqus, IntenseDebate, MyBlogLog, SezWho etc do is provide a really compelling, web-wide context to your actions on a site: e.g. when I comment here, you can follow a link to my Disqus profile that lists my comments everywhere else that uses Disqus. I got a lot of people pulling the RSS feed from that page last week as people want to track my conversations (actions) around the web, not just on one site. So an important aspect of what Disqus does is to create a portable identity.

Death of the blog as an identity pedestal

My argument is that this will, over time, make my blog largely redundant as a pedestal of personal identity. It used to be (still is, largely) that everyone provided their own input to a story on their own blog; conversations were on the intra-blog (blog to blog) level. It used to be the only place; but now my Disqus page might become as powerful a central pedestal of my identity as my own blog, and could replace it. If people start building their identities within the conversations created on other peoples’ blogs (i.e. as symbiotic parasites) the blog dies as a pedestal, and the focus of attention is on conversations, not blog posts (i.e. Techmeme and Technorati miss all the interesting content of the ‘conversation-sphere’); the social magnet conclusively shifts from my blog posts, to the conversations I spark.

Conversations as social magnets.

It is abundantly clear that conversations can be social magnets (alternately called social objects), just as photos are on Flickr (and are on Facebook, as is the minifeed), music is on Imeem and MySpace, etc. Social objects bring people to a site and catalyse communities and social networks. Conversations, when they’re open, are incredibly magnetic: Twitter is one example, as are forums, like the ones I used to run. The largest forum in the world has 12 million members. So my thesis is this: could an entirely new social network be created, the next Flickr/Facebook/MySpace, with aggregated conversations as the social magnet?

Birth of a web-wide forum [Death of your blog as the environment where I access the social magnet (conversations)]

Crucially, these conversations don’t even need to happen on your blog – they can happen within Disqus itself. I call this a ‘web-wide-forum’ since unlike traditional forums, the conversation threads come from all over the web. Even though the threads initially spark on blogs, I might as well just use Disqus as my go-to site (not your blog) to find conversations to contribute to, and do it there.

Disqus ends up killing my blog (because it’s a new & better pedestal for my identity) and yours (because your audience gets easier access to the social magnet – conversations – via Disqus, than via your blog).

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My blog, at the moment, still has unique features Disqus doesn’t, but I could imagine could do in future

  1. Multimedia (ability to post videos, images, etc)
  2. Ability to create topics (whereas if I comment on someone’s story, they’ve set the agenda) – still a reliance on blogs to reate conversations. The transformation of Disqus into a more forum-like service will need to see it becoming more like either a traditional forum, or a blog-hosting platform like Wordpress.com. Thinking strategically, if I were either of them, I’d be seeking to merge with the other. This would see the blogosphere turned inside-out: conversation-up not blogpost-down
  3. SEO and analytics – people can at the moment more easily find my actions when they’re on my blog, and I can see who’s visiting my “identity pedestal”

It doesn’t have the following benefit of Disqus as a pedestal distributed amongst many sites:

  1. There are benefits to your identity being visible and being noticed. What I say here goes unnoticed because nobody’s here – what I happened to say on Fred Wilson’s blog, which gets much more traffic, got picked up on. Thinking like a parasite, you go for where audiences are, instead of trying to bring them here (I had no such intention in my mind at the time, or any other time I comment on someone’s site! But that accidental exposure I got there is evidence of how true it is, that you get different effects from placing your identity pedestal in high-profile and low-profile places.
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This entry was posted on Tuesday, April 29th, 2008 at 4:55 pm and is filed under Musings. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

  • Q dub
    You are absolutely right that conversation the cornerstone of all online social activity. Blogs are simply too formal, too structured to be the mainstream identity and conversation hub. As I increasingly prefer showing people my FriendFeed as my identity home, I would like to see the rise of a one-stop-shop conversation platform that allows for unstructured conversation like on Twitter but lends easily to organization.

    If you think about it, you can codify every type of online conversation by 3 key elements: From, To, and the "view".

    For example:
    -blogs/tweets are from an individual, to the public. The view is all outbound messages of this type from a particular author.
    -Facebook wall is from individual, to individual. The view is all inbound messages to a particular recipient. (btw this is why I think Twitter is nothing new, it's the "reverse wall")
    - Message board posts are from an individual, to a thread, and the view is all inbound messages to that thread.

    So you see, a lot of our conversation is fragmented over many seeming disparate systems, but ultimately they are ridiculously similar and it's a shame we haven't integrated them yet. (btw, FriendFeed "aggregates", not "integrates"...it's a whole other league)
  • Jitendra
    Hey Jitendra from SezWho here...Interesting post...I think by adding the context SezWho etc. make the conversation richer...although I am not sure these platforms in themselves are conversation platform (more like context platforms)...As such blog platforms etc. are not likely to be replaced by context platforms...

    -Jitendra
  • Pete
    All,

    Totally disagree..

    Blogs are the ultimate ME central because they have a killer app that can't be incorporated in other platforms: Control.

    With the coming of URL to indentity mapping eg openId. I think the central spot will be become even more important, although it will evolve. Perhaps the future is the tumbleblog (a place that agregates all the me content that I acknowledge in one place).

    IMO Disquss is very good but trackback is a better technology if the spam problem can be solved.
  • Philippe Bradley
    I disagree about trackbacks - when have you ever seen back-and-forth conversation being done via trackbacks?

    I agree to some extent that overall, online identity will be richer than mere collections of conversational inputs - for that very reason I put my web presence together at http://www.claimid.com/phbradley - but that's a bold and loose counterprivacy move which I doubt many people, for a long time still, will ever copy. But without it, I probably would not have benefited as much from the 'Fred Wilson Effect' (see my previous blog post) since it let people instantly find me on various social networks - I got some good connects that I wouldn't if it hadn't existed.

    And you have to be more specific about what kind of control; control over your previously made comments is not a feature that is lacking most of these comment platforms
  • Pete
    Philippe,

    Why did you use Claim my id as the place to assert your identity. Isn't a blog the best place to assert this kind of thing? In my option the best blogs do aa amzing job of being a central repository of a person thoughts and ideas and cannot be beatenby pro forma platforms.
  • Philippe Bradley
    a blog is what you SAY. Linking to your other profiles around the web show what you DO. Linking to artcles written about you shows you in the eyes of someone else (not always flattering, as you can see in some links on my claimid - but fair, even so). Blogs can't do all that; they're heavily biased, filtered, and don't have all the information available - like what you DO.

    But Claimid is insignificant in this conversation and post. It's just a very handy shortcut I can give people to find out who I am (when I'm not anonymous) online. It's the very same reason people aggregate their friends' actions from different sites on FriendFeed - the different aspects to someone - their full context - are interesting and informative. You get a better picture of me when, in addition to reading my blog posts, you see what others have written about me, when you see how I've interacted with people on *their* blogs, when you can follow my thoughts and open conversations on twitter, etc.

    Identity is and has been for a long time fragmented across a lot of sites. Even specific aspects of your personality have been fragmented, for example your comments on lots of different sites and on your blog. But what could happen if Disqus et al turn the blogosphere inside out by becoming conversation platforms is that at least that aspect of you have been 'defragged' - you bring more context with you to places like this when you leave a comment linking to all your other comments.

    besides, a blog is what you SAY. A lot of th

    The rest of my post was wondering what could be built around a defragged, aggregated aspect of your identity and those of your friends. Facebook built a place to socialise around your profiles and those of your friends. What about a conversation social network? Highly plausible....
  • dsheise
    Don´t you think friendfeed serves as a better identity hub?
  • Philippe Bradley
    never used it, so can't personally comment.

    But if it does, it further confirms my viewpoint that the personal blog is an increasingly limited/redundant place to build/host your identity, versus profiles on aggregators of what you're doing web-wide. I chose to focus on discussion and dialogue, firstly because it's simple to understand the difference between doing it centralised on your own blog with trackbacks to others (blog to blog level conversation) and decentralised but aggregated conversation platforms; secondly because it lead to the second part of my post, thinking about conversations as social objects/magnets just like the minifeed on Facebook and Friendfeed are. So on both aspects you're right to bring up friendfeed. As for it being better or worse - it would be difficult to answer that objectively; it's a broader oversight of an identity but may be prone to signal/noise and river of info problems which just looking at someone's conversations, is not. Horses for courses; I guess it depends if what photos someone just flickered is relevant to what you want to know about them.
  • dsheise
    I agree with the signal to noise and river of info problems. To add another spice to this I would refer to the post Jason published on the 37signals blog "Osmo Wiio: Communication usually fails, except by accident:

    "And I particularly like his observation that anytime there are two people conversing, there are actually six people in the conversation:

    1. Who you think you are
    2. Who you think the other person is
    3. Who you think the other person thinks you are
    4. Who the other person thinks he/she is
    5. Who the other person thinks you are
    6. Who the other person thinks you think he/she is

    All this meaning that you have no actual control as Pete wants in his comment.
  • solobasssteve
    very interestest post,

    I think there will be a trend in you direction, but a few things will keep blogs alive - one is the self-selection of web users as primary content producers, synthesisers and lurkers (David Jennings excellent book 'Net Blogs And Rock n Roll' explores this really well), as well as the deferential way that people naturally respond to those whose writing commands a different kind of response - there's still kudos to be had from sharing someone else branded space...

    I love the move away from broadcasting to conversation, but I can still see place for blog posts in a world of conversation both as crafted essays (written with a different level of journalistic care and attention to conversational responses) and as a repository of 'complete' thoughts... In the same way that books are still going strong, but discussion about books is growing rapidly, I'd guess that the discussion culture would grow up around blogs... a lot of it, I guess, will happen as the implementation of granular APIs makes the porting of comment threads to comment aggregation sites easier...

    And there are still occasions when one wants to log thoughts without it being explicitly for conversation... it might be a more person statement, or narrative about your life, and therefor the conversation format won't suit it.

    granularity is the key, and it will hopefully happen at the intersection of design and APIs, facilitating multi-layered levels of concept/idea presentation and conversation starting...

    This also brings up all kinds of questions about the degree to which the web is/isn't should/shouldn't be 'democratic', but that is a whole other discussion... :o)

    cheers!

    Steve
  • Philippe Bradley
    we may see a divergence between conversation hubs you and I are forecasting the growth of, and web logs (the latter being a return to a form of self-expression truer to the etymology of 'blog') - this is where multimedia rich, 'broadcast' web log sites like Tumblr fit into the picture
  • Carlosrb
    Great post, especially the comments=parasites analogy. Great visual and I think it rings true; the emergence of parasites in a given ecology is evidence of its thriving dynamics.

    One thing I do not agree with completely though. I don’t necessarily see blogs as a dying medium. To use your parasite analogy: parasites typically do not wipe out their hosts. They are, after all, dependents and therefore equilibrium is necessarily reached.

    I suppose you could argue (and you might have been heading there) that the evolution of online identities is the merging of blogs and conversations. I would agree with that.

    I don’t think identities will be solely based on comments or conversations because these are largely static. It’s not very feasible to go back and change you comments, especially after others have commented back. Since a big part of any given identity is learning and change, it is nice to have a central repository where you can update your identity and which can be tied back to your comments.

    Perhaps the future of identities is not so much a swarm of individual parasites, but is more like a central hive (not unlike a bee's hive) that uses countless drones (comments) to go out and cross pollinate with other hives.

    Carlos
    I am not a biologist… not even close.
  • Philippe Bradley
    Interesting points! I do accept that for a while the host/parasite relationship will be mutually beneficial (in my post, I classify it as symbiotic). Parasites only kill off their host once they can exist outside of it or once they can merge with it (like mitochondria are thought to have been bacteria before they became an integral part of the cell); in this scenario, this means that a conversation platform a la Disqus will need to be able to be self-sparking (be able to create conversations, not just host the conversations sparked on blogs) - this is why I propose the assimilation of a blogging platform like wordpress.com - i.e. vertical integration from the comment platform upwards.

    I don't think comment-based identities are much more fixed than blogs are at the moment - how many people go back and edit/delete old posts? They're there, they're recorded for me to disagree with in future, etc.

    Think about your identity in your friends' eyes - can you edit their memories? No, you just build on old identity in new directions - apologise for that nasty jibe you said last week, etc. I see no reason why that shouldn't be the same with identities thru conversations online.

    In fact, you could argue that the process of evolution/mutation/change in your identity is as important to a curious viewer as your current state. I'm reminded of the favourite saying of one of my lady friends, a quote from Alfred Lord Tennyson's "Ulysses":

    I am a part of all that I have met;
    Yet all experience is an arch wherethro’
    Gleams that untravell’d world, whose margin fades
    For ever and for ever when I move.
  • Carlosrb
    Hey. I wrote a blog post that ties back to this brief exchange. I thought I'd drop it here in case you care to read it.

    http://mymemestream.blogspot.com/2008/05/i-thin...

    Cheers.
  • maks
    Hello! I like your site! Reader from Russia...
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