Comments on: The semantic elephant in the room – Google will settle the "top down vs. bottom up" debate for us http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/ Staring at the sun Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:17:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Q dub http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/comment-page-1/#comment-435 Q dub Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:32 +0000 http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/#comment-435 Sharp point about Google's competitive advantage.<br><br>Top-down and bottom-up can work together in clever ways. By inserting non-disruptive prompts when content is being generated (e.g. "Wordpress thinks this is an event. Yes/No?") we can create microformatted content for the basics and leave the heavy lifting such as the "Gash" problem to to the AI geniuses. Sharp point about Google's competitive advantage.

Top-down and bottom-up can work together in clever ways. By inserting non-disruptive prompts when content is being generated (e.g. “WordPress thinks this is an event. Yes/No?”) we can create microformatted content for the basics and leave the heavy lifting such as the “Gash” problem to to the AI geniuses.

]]> By: Q dub http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/comment-page-1/#comment-302 Q dub Sat, 10 May 2008 22:46:32 +0000 http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/#comment-302 Sharp point about Google's competitive advantage.<br><br>Top-down and bottom-up can work together in clever ways. By inserting non-disruptive prompts when content is being generated (e.g. "Wordpress thinks this is an event. Yes/No?") we can create microformatted content for the basics and leave the heavy lifting such as the "Gash" problem to to the AI geniuses. Sharp point about Google's competitive advantage.

Top-down and bottom-up can work together in clever ways. By inserting non-disruptive prompts when content is being generated (e.g. “WordPress thinks this is an event. Yes/No?”) we can create microformatted content for the basics and leave the heavy lifting such as the “Gash” problem to to the AI geniuses.

]]> By: Philippe Bradley http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/comment-page-1/#comment-301 Philippe Bradley Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:45:11 +0000 http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/#comment-301 ah, I understand now, thanks Pete. ah, I understand now, thanks Pete.

]]> By: Pete http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/comment-page-1/#comment-300 Pete Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:32:07 +0000 http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/#comment-300 Maybe precision is a better word. An example should suffice:<br><br>If someone is looking for rugby teams in Melbourne a search of Petes semantic store would probably return the website of the Old Xavs rugby team here:<br><br><a href="http://shawcup.localhero.biz/">http://shawcup.localhero.biz/</a><br><br>This is 100% precise in that I do assert that the old xavs are a rugby team in Melbourne. Its probably not relevant to most people nor is my assertion neccessarily trustworthy (I could be lying). A perfect search mechanism would nail all three aspects. Maybe precision is a better word. An example should suffice:

If someone is looking for rugby teams in Melbourne a search of Petes semantic store would probably return the website of the Old Xavs rugby team here:

http://shawcup.localhero.biz/

This is 100% precise in that I do assert that the old xavs are a rugby team in Melbourne. Its probably not relevant to most people nor is my assertion neccessarily trustworthy (I could be lying). A perfect search mechanism would nail all three aspects.

]]> By: Philippe Bradley http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/comment-page-1/#comment-299 Philippe Bradley Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:52:07 +0000 http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/#comment-299 what do you class as being different between accuracy and relevance? what do you class as being different between accuracy and relevance?

]]> By: Pete http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/comment-page-1/#comment-298 Pete Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:26:37 +0000 http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/#comment-298 Philippe<br><br>Most of the development on the web is bootom up and will be regardless of google or even the money involved. There are over a billion people on the we and even if a small percentage of hobbyists are working on bottom up semantic search this dwarfs google. I am currently adding a sparql to my own project that has yet to turn a dime:<br><br><a href="http://localhero.biz/">http://localhero.biz/</a><br><br>Semantic search kills one of google advantages (accuracy) but it doesn't really have trust or relevance built in so time will tell...... Philippe

Most of the development on the web is bootom up and will be regardless of google or even the money involved. There are over a billion people on the we and even if a small percentage of hobbyists are working on bottom up semantic search this dwarfs google. I am currently adding a sparql to my own project that has yet to turn a dime:

http://localhero.biz/

Semantic search kills one of google advantages (accuracy) but it doesn't really have trust or relevance built in so time will tell……

]]> By: Stephen Paul Weber http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/comment-page-1/#comment-88 Stephen Paul Weber Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:08:23 +0000 http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/#comment-88 One problem with your argument -- Google supports microformats (hAtom in Blogger, SGAPI) and APP One problem with your argument — Google supports microformats (hAtom in Blogger, SGAPI) and APP

]]> By: Stephen Paul Weber http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/comment-page-1/#comment-297 Stephen Paul Weber Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:08:23 +0000 http://www.overthecounterculture.com/2008/the-semantic-elephant-in-the-room-google-will-settle-the-top-down-vs-bottom-up-debate-for-us/#comment-297 One problem with your argument -- Google supports microformats (hAtom in Blogger, SGAPI) and APP One problem with your argument — Google supports microformats (hAtom in Blogger, SGAPI) and APP

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